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radical christians & the word of god (part 1 of 3): authority

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We believe in the authoritative, inerrant, infallible Word of God – and his name is Jesus.

This is the first of three blog posts on the authority, inerrancy, and application of the Word of God from an Anabaptist Christian perspective. Anabaptism is a 500 year old movement that primarily formed on the heels of the Protestant Reformation, and became known as the Radical Reformation. “Radical” is a good word to describe Anabaptists, since it comes from the Latin, radix, which means “root”. The Radical Reformers were and still are about getting Christians back to our roots as Jesus followers. If the Protestant Reformation was about getting Christians to rally around the Bible, the Radical Reformation was a further call for Christians to rally around the Jesus they read about in the Bible. (For more on the Radical Reformation, see our teaching series here.)

When Radicals (or, Anabaptists) hear or use the phrase “the Word of God”, we tend to think of three things in descending order:

  1. Jesus
  2. The message of God contained in the Bible
  3. The Bible

When Reformers (or, Protestants) hear or use the phrase “the Word of God”, they typically think of similar things as Radicals, but in reverse order:

  1. The Bible
  2. The message of God contained in the Bible
  3. Jesus

Ever since the 16th century, when the Protestant Reformers and Radical Reformers were differentiating from one another as alternative Christian expressions, this simple shift in emphasis showed itself to have significant, real world ramifications.

One critique that Radicals sometimes make of Reformers is that Protestants tend to talk about the Bible in ways that Christians should really talk about Jesus. Many Protestant Christians say things like “We follow the Bible”, or will talk about the “authority of the Bible”, or say that Scripture is “inerrant”. As a Radical Christian, these are things I would tend to say about Jesus first and foremost. I follow Jesus. Jesus holds all authority. And Jesus is the perfect one, without error.

Most Anabaptists combined a tremendous love for Scripture with a refusal to place it above or even alongside Christ as the Word of God.
~ Stuart Murray, Biblical Interpretation in the Anabaptist Tradition

Sometimes when Protestants find out that Anabaptists don’t tend to use the word “inerrant” to refer to Scripture, they assume we must be theological liberals (where “liberal” is one of the worst things you can say about a fellow Christian). In their minds, there are only two camps: 1) theological conservatives who uphold the inerrancy of Scripture, and 2) theological liberals who demean Christian Scripture in order to import progressive (i.e., worldly) ideas into the Christian faith apart from biblical support. For many Protestants, it never occurs to them that there might be a third option: a group of deeply committed Christians who hold the Bible in very high regard as God’s inspired gift to the Church, but who also hold Jesus in even higher regard than Scripture and who use their language intentionally to reflect this. Maybe you’ve been part of this way of thinking. If so, I can relate.

This was me when I first heard about the Anabaptist denomination I am now a part of – Be In Christ Canada (formerly, the Brethren In Christ). I was an Evangelical with Reformed/Calvinist theology at the time I heard about the BIC. As a Baptist pastor, I had been slowly questioning some basic Evangelical assumptions, especially the role Jesus should play in how we interpret, understand, and apply everything in the Bible. It seemed to me that a Jesus-centred reading of Scripture should lead Christ-followers to fully embrace, among other things, the nonviolent, enemy loving, peace making way of Jesus. So when the leadership of the BIC invited me to dialogue with them, I was excited to learn about this 200 year old denomination, and to know that it was part of a 500 year old movement of Christians who prioritized precisely that – the nonviolent, enemy loving, peace making way of Jesus. But even though I was thrilled with what might become my new denominational home, as a transitioning Evangelical I remember being suspicious when I couldn’t find the word “inerrant” in the BIC’s statement of faith. “I knew they were too good to be true!” I remember thinking to myself. Inerrancy, I had been taught, was the litmus test of orthodoxy. Look for a clear and bold proclamation of the inerrancy of Scripture and you can be more assured that a church was preaching the true gospel. Today I’m so glad I didn’t run away from the issue or suppress my questions, but leaned into Scripture and the ongoing conversation around Scripture with my new Anabaptist family.

I learned that Radical Christians were far from theological liberals, but in fact the early Anabaptists would have considered the Protestants to be the liberal side of the divide, because they dismissed, disregarded, or otherwise excused themselves from following the most obvious aspects of Jesus’ teaching and example. Protestants were just as violent as Catholics at the time of the Protestant Reformation and the Radical Reformation, and they rationalized their violence by appealing to the Bible! Repeatedly, Protestants found biblical justification for violence which they used to overrule the clear nonviolent, enemy loving, peace making way of Jesus.

Anabaptists, on the other hand, had been willing to die at the hands of fellow Christians for generations because they refused to bear the sword in self defense or national defense. Their kingdom was the Kingdom of God, the war they waged was not against flesh and blood, but against a spiritual enemy (Ephesians 6:12), and their only king was King Jesus. Anabaptists believed that Jesus was God’s ultimate self-disclosure (John 1:18) and that all of Scripture should be relentlessly interpreted through the Jesus lens.  I realized that, whether or not I would come to agree with Anabaptist theology on every issue, mistaking them as theological liberals would be insulting to this branch of the Christian family tree.


Well, that’s my introduction. (Thanks for making it this far!) Now let’s talk now about the issue of AUTHORITY…


 

Anabaptists have a high regard for the Scriptures and an even higher regard for Jesus. Jesus, even more than the Bible, is our final authority.
~ Palmer Becker, Anabaptist Essentials

Anabaptists (Radical Reformers) read the Bible, study the Bible, memorize and meditate on the Bible. And yet, we don’t think in terms of following the Bible – we follow Jesus.  Why do I think this distinction matters? Because I want to align my language with Jesus, as recorded in the Bible. Let’s flesh this out a bit more in three ways…

Firstly, Jesus-following is our identity as disciples of Christ. We are Christ-ians, not Bible-ians (Acts 11:26). This aligns with what Jesus himself said – “follow me” (Matthew 4:19). It seems to me that this should be Christianity 101 and not at all a controversial idea.

Come to ME, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take MY yoke upon you and learn from ME, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For MY yoke is easy and MY burden is light.
~ Jesus (Matthew 11:28-30)

Secondly, Jesus said clearly, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me” (Matthew 28:18). He then went on to base his Great Commission to his disciples on this one tremendous truth, when he said, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations…” (Matthew 28:19). Jesus then goes on to say that the process of making disciples includes “teaching them to obey everything *I* have commanded you” (Matthew 28:20). This doesn’t mean we just read the red letters of the Bible, but it does mean we read the entire Bible differently, as a pointer to Jesus, the one who holds all authority over our lives. Radical Christians believe that, as disciples of Jesus, our central commitment is to learn from JESUS as his apprentices. And, catch this, what we learn about Jesus from the Bible should inform how we read everything else in the Bible.

Thirdly, in the Bible we see examples of Jesus taking authority over the Bible. Consider the six-antitheses in Matthew 5 (where Jesus six times uses the pattern of “You have heard it said… but I tell you…”). Also notice the reaction of the crowd at the end of the Sermon on the Mount – that Jesus taught with authority, unlike other religious readers (Matthew 7:29; also see Mark 1:22, 27; Luke 4:32, 36). Or consider Jesus’ statement that “the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins” (Matthew 9:6; Mark 2:10; Luke 5:24), which he does apart from the sacrificial system mandated in the Bible. Or consider Jesus’ authority to singlehandedly reverse the dietary laws of Moses in Mark 7:19. Or consider Jesus overruling Moses’ teaching on divorce and remarriage in his discussion with the religious leaders in Matthew 19:8-9. Or consider Jesus’ self-alignment with the authority of God who lives above the law in John 5, rather than see himself as merely a man who must submit to and live under the authority of the law.

So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. … And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man. (John 5:16-18, 27)

Later in this same chapter, Jesus challenges the religious leaders who loved and learned and studied and memorized and followed the Bible…

And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life. (John 5:37-40)

This is serious. Jesus says it is possible to follow the Bible, love the Bible, study the Bible – and never hear the voice of God. Furthermore, it is possible to memorize and meditate on the Bible, and never have God’s “word dwell in you”. Let this sink in. Unless we use the Bible as a pointer to Jesus, and then come to JESUS for our life, we are misusing the Bible.

As a Christ-follower, when I open my Bible I don’t ask “God, what are you saying to me through the Bible?”, but “God, what are you saying to me through Jesus in the Bible?” This simple distinction means that I read everything from Genesis to Revelation differently.

A PROTESTANT OBJECTION…

It’s worth pointing out that those who identify as Protestant are not monolithic on this issue. For instance, on the issue of biblical authority, NT Wright sounds as Anabaptist as he does Anglican. Still, some Protestants object: “Wait a minute! You Radicals are using the Bible to establish the authority of Jesus! Doesn’t that mean you treat the Bible as authoritative?”  Now let me be as clear as I can. In the category of written documents, the Bible is uniquely and absolutely authoritative (as our BIC statement of faith asserts). But remember, as Christians, no written document is our absolute authority – Jesus is! Because the Bible is uniquely breathed out by God we trust it and use it, as Paul recommends in 2 Timothy 3:16. So yes, as far as written documents go, the Bible is authoritative – as far as written documents go. But we have a relationship with more than a written document. No written document, including the Bible itself, created the heavens and the earth and entered into our human condition and lived the perfect life and died the loving death that brought us salvation, and rose again as Lord of our lives. The Bible says, “Jesus is Lord” (Romans 10:9).

The Bible does not give us Jesus; Jesus gives us the Bible; and the Bible then points us directly to Jesus. The Bible is not a Christian’s ultimate authority, but our penultimate authority, pointing to Jesus as our ultimate authority.

The Bible is to us what the star was to the wise men.
~ Thomas Adams

This relationship between Jesus and the Bible is similar to the relationship between Jesus and the star that led the magi to Jesus. Or, to use another analogy, the relationship between Jesus and the Bible is similar to the relationship between Jesus and John the Baptist. When John the Baptist saw Jesus, he pointed and cried out…

Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ (John 1:29-30)

John didn’t give us Jesus; Jesus gave us John, and then John pointed people to Jesus. Again we read…

The next day John was there again with two of his disciples. When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!” When the two disciples heard him say this, they followed Jesus. (John 1:35-37)

Because John’s disciples listened to him and followed Jesus, this doesn’t mean they saw John’s authority as absolute. They simply trusted John enough to listen to his insight and turn to follow Jesus as their absolute authority. Because they trusted John, they submitted to Jesus. And that’s what we do every time we read the Bible and follow Jesus.

When John the Baptist told his disciples to follow Jesus, no one played the word game of saying, “But if we listen to John’s word and we follow Jesus, aren’t we just following John? Doesn’t that mean John has equal authority to Jesus if we’re listening to his instruction to follow Jesus’ authority? So let’s just say we are equally followers of Jesus AND followers of John.” No. Please no. This is silly. Because they listened to John and trusted John and believed what John said, they followed Jesus as the authority of their lives. And yet today many Protestants make the same objection. When Radical Christians say, “Jesus is our sole authority” some Christians respond, “But you only know about Jesus from the Bible! So the Bible must equally be your authority!” No. We trust the Bible, like John’s disciples trusted him, and we do what the Bible instructs us to do – submit to the authority of Jesus.

SO WHAT?

So why is this way of thinking important? Is it all just word games and academic exercise? I wish it were. I love word puzzles, and academic exercise is the only kind of exercise I like. But this discussion is more important than that. History has shown us that when a group of Christians champion the idea of the “authority of Scripture” as did the Protestant Reformers, they get no closer to following Jesus on some very important issues, like the issue of the nonviolent, enemy loving, peace making way of Jesus. During the 16th Century, we might explain Catholic violence by appealing to the influence of the Pope, who represented (or should I say, misrepresented) the authority of Christ in the Church. The Protestants, however, rejected Papal authority and clung to sola scriptura, meaning “Scripture alone”. This is a real world case study. With the Pope’s influence out of the way and with Scripture as their sole authority, what became of Protestants? More unity? No, more division (there are now thousands of different Protestant denominations). More Christ-like enemy love? No, more violence (wars, witch-hunts, and heretic burnings were not abandoned by Protestants). The Protestant Reformers missed such central teaching of Jesus because they balanced it with every other teaching in the Bible as a way of maintaining their commitment to “the authority of Scripture”.

I recently heard a well known Protestant Christian pastor preach on the Sermon on the Mount. He expounded on the radical nonviolent, enemy loving, peace making way of Jesus. I was impressed. Then he made this maneuver – he said, “Now, we know this isn’t an absolute mandate for all Christians at all times, since we can see that God gave very different instructions to his people through Moses and David and other Old Testament saints.” Then he went on to talk about Old Testament examples of violence as justification for Christian participation in violence today. Why was this pastor trying to balance the teaching of Jesus with other teaching in the Bible? Because he was following the Bible, rather than allowing every teaching of the Bible to point him to Jesus. And today, if Christians are to truly repent of our religious violence, our national violence, and our verbal and attitudinal violence, we will need to go beyond just following the Bible and zero in on Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith (Hebrews 12:2).

Dear Christians, we are not “People of the Book”. This phrase is an Islamic designation of Christians and we are not constrained to adopt a Muslim misunderstanding as our identity. No, we are not “People of the Book” as much as we are “People of the Person”. We are not (or at least, should not be) a bookish faith, lived out primarily by reading. This approach to spirituality favours the academically and economically privileged around the world and throughout history. Yes, “to whom much is given, much is required” (Luke 12:48), and so those of us who can read and can afford our own Bibles should make much of that privilege. And while we read the Bible, may it always lead us to Jesus, the living, active, and authoritative Word of God.

Maybe you are or aren’t Anabaptist, but maybe you are “Anabaptish” – a growing Radical Christian who sees Jesus at the centre of it all. If so, I would love to hear from you. Comment away!

Peace,

 

 

 

NEXT POST – READ PART 2…
Radical Christians & the Word of God (part 2 of 3): Inerrancy

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123 Comments

  1. Thank you Bruxy! I just finished reading ReUnion while on vacation this summer. I’m new to your writing (and to some of these positions) but VERY thankful for how you explain things. You have truly been a theological breath of fresh air to this frustrated pastor who has been stuck in the confines of stuffy reformed theology for many many years.

  2. One common indicator of “People of the Book” is the tendency to proof text—to take individual Bible verses (sometimes out of context) as if the words themselves are authoritative for all persons everywhere all the time. Often they have a “life verse”. In the past they may have used a “Promise Box” but never had a “Command Box” or “Warning Box” because Bible promises were what mattered most. I like your emphasis on following Jesus because having the mind of Christ and acting like Christ is our calling. However, even a focus on Jesus can be misused and distorted when people claim “Jesus never said anything about . . . .” Then they proceed to miss his affirmation of what was written and affirmed by the Law and the Prophets. Thank you for pointing the important contribution of the Radical Reformation.

  3. Bruxy,

    Thanks so much for this. I am one of those Anabap-tish people you speak of and actually permed a short article several months ago on my blog explaining such. I think one of the problems Anabaptism faces, particularly in the U.S., is its social application. Non-violence? Peacemaking? Enemy love? Anti-war? These are all politically liberal ideas in the minds of many theological conservatives. And don’t forget about our love for the second amendment. The thing is, I don’t see these applications and practices as being liberal at all. What’s more conservative than actually following Jesus in spite our natural, sinful desires to seek revenge, retribution, and pursue a “me-first” way of life? “Deny yourself and follow Me,” He said. When I try to express these ideas to others, however, I generally get labeled a liberal and brushed to the side. Jesus’s way of life is just too hard, too self-denying, so we find ways to downplay his instructions, generally, like the pastor you mentioned above, through interpreting scripture through a human lens and finding ways to justify ourselves. Please continue to publish these articles. They are breath of fresh air and an encouragement that are much-needed in our current world.

  4. Thanks Bruxy for this….I belong to a denomination that, at least feels to me, puts Calvin up there in league with the Bible. This makes so much sense . There seems to be so many people who leave “church” because of the way they are treated by the legalism that drives them out. It always breaks my heart. I am definitely Antabaptish?

  5. Love this Bruxy! I have been so grateful for your writings and teachings over the past couple of years. Bless you. When you coming to Ireland?

  6. Very good blog, many excellent points! But you lost me with the connection of Jesus to the astrologers. The star led the magi first to Herod, and then only to Jesus after the king had been alerted.

  7. Good article Bruxy. I guess I “Anabaptish”. As you will know many Baptists affirm a less Calvinistic/Reformed view. Baptist statements of Baptist distinctives often fall in two camps. Those who begin their statements by affirming the authority of Scripture (these over time have embraced the language of inerrancy) while other begin with the Lordship of Jesus Christ (these tend to focus on the authority of Jesus and the all-sufficiency of Scripture). I’m in the latter camp which sees Scripture old and new as bearing witness to the God reviewed in Jesus Christ. I wouldn’t go as far as you on some points (among them unconditional pacifism) but as I am a Canadian Baptist “Anabaptish”

  8. Jesus upset their oral law, not the scriptures themselves. He wasn’t contradicting what God had told them, He was clarifying and bringing them back to THEIR roots. A lot had happened since the last prophet of God spoke. And Rabbis had messed up some teachings. Jesus is fixing that.
    Jesus was fixing human error and misunderstanding of the scriptures themselves.

  9. Thanks, Buxy!
    We are currently having a discussion in my church in regards to women’s roles in the church. There is a lot of discussion on authority, hierarchy, patriarchy, etc.
    Following Christ’s authority as opposed to the authority of (some people’s interpretation of) scriptures is always refreshing. But I see patriarchal authority as part of the curse after the fall, and Christ redeems us of that as well. Constantly praying for discernment and humility in this, as the majority of churches in my area all believe in some sort of complimentarian/patriarchal form of authority.

  10. This rings the Truth bell in my spirit, you speak truth and it is refreshing. I have to say though that I have not found these types of conversations to be very profitable in convincing the “power over” believers or winning any popularity contests. It’s almost like you get labeled the enemy if this is reveled. The Holy Spirit has to do the work and the Spirit cannot be at odds with the Spirit. (the Word became flesh to give an example then came to reside within, if indeed He does.) Yet there are so many (more than not) at odds with one another. I say again, the Spirit cannot be at odds with itself. We, using that loosely, love to say “what would Jesus do” but then we go and do whatever we think is right in our own eyes, proclaiming it to be the will of our Savior. We need forgiveness for misrepresenting the One we claim to follow. Thanks for the stimulating article.

  11. There is way too much time and energy wasted by us Christians by splitting hairs ! The devil wants us to be split up in so many factions . There is no catergorizing God , Jesus and the Word , they are all one and the same . Lets keep it simple and concentrate on the Great Commission .

  12. This is so important! Thank you so much for laying it out so clearly. The supremacy and centrality of Jesus is something that I have missed in the past. Now that I see it, it seems so obvious! Thanks for the post, this really helps. Keep up the good work!

  13. I guess I fall under the “Anabaptish” as well. Thank you for this amazing read, the one powerful statement that stood out for me and will take away is “The Bible does not give us Jesus; Jesus gives us the Bible; and the Bible then points us directly to Jesus. “

  14. Bruxy, I enjoyed this read.
    I have a question, and I wonder if it might be something that you’ll get to in the following posts. As a fellow non violent follower of Christ is it possible to read some of the violent texts of the OT and believe, as the original writers did, that God was at work in the violence that took place? Can we trust in Christ’s call to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us and still believe that The writers were not mistaken is believing that they were doing what God had commanded in their actions?

  15. This idea of separating the authority of the Person of Christ from the Word of Christ is utter nonsense. It’s a false dichotomy and one that creates more confusion than it does clarity. Where else in life do we do this? Do not someone’s words carry the authority of the person they originated from? If my boss tells me to do something, I don’t separate the authority of his words from the authority of his person. I don’t rank one above the other. They are one and the same.

    Is it possible to misunderstand the Bible, claim to follow it, and miss Jesus? Absolutely! See John 5:39-40. Is it possible to follow Jesus and not follow his Word? Absolutely not! Again, see John 5:39-40. The apostle Paul refers to the Word of God as the Word of Christ in Colossians 3:16. This means that every word in Scripture is from Jesus, not just the red-letters. Thus, to properly follow Jesus we must also follow his Word which carries his authority. You can have the Bible without Jesus, but you can’t have Jesus without the Bible. His Word reveals him to us (John 5:40, Luke 24:27). His Word makes us wise for salvation (2 Timothy 3:15). His Word is absolute truth and sanctifies us (John 17:17). His Word is alive and active and is able to convict our hearts (Hebrews 4:12). His Word teaches us, corrects us, reproves us, and trains us in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16). His Word endures forever (Isaiah 40:8).

    When Jesus says in Matthew 28:18, “All authority has been given to me,” one of our first thoughts must be: “That means I must do what he says. I must obey and submit to his Word.” To follow Scripture IS to follow Christ. To follow Christ IS to follow Scripture. The authority of his Word derives from the authority of his Person. They go hand in hand.

    1. Hi Will. Thanks for reading and responding. You are presenting a good example of Reformed thinking on this topic.

      As you might imagine, I’m hesitant to allow comments from Harvest/Trinity leaders, since your leadership has, quite uncharitably, predetermined me and the BIC to be heretics rather than see us as fellow Christians with whom you disagree. And so, you have already decided this will not be a helpful dialogue between brothers in Christ and instead have sought out division rather than unity on numerous occasions. But for now, let me leave your post up and respond…

      As for creating more confusion than clarity, this may be your experience, but it doesn’t change the fact that a growing number of Christ-followers are having precisely the opposite experience and are moving in precisely the opposite direction – from confusion to clarity – through this Jesus-centric way of thinking as a Christian. Frankly, I can think of few things more confusing than Bible believing Protestants being deathly violent in the name of Jesus, which is, unfortunately, one of the facts and fruit of the Reformation. A little Jesus-centred clarity would have served the Protestant Reformers well then, and now.

      Readers should remember that these are not just two different yet equally valid approaches to Scripture. Both views have borne fruit – horrific violence and nonviolent enemy-love.

      “Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.”
      ~ Jesus

      1. Hi Bruxy. Thanks for approving the comment and responding to it as well. I am not seeking out division in interacting with your blog. I think open dialogue about a topic like this is important, especially when there is disagreement. I’m interacting with your blog because I honestly do not understand how you can rank the authority of the person of Christ over the authority of the words of Christ. I cannot make logical sense of that distinction. It’s a false distinction. Help me understand why you think it’s not?

        It seems that you’re making this distinction between the authority of the Word of Christ and the authority of the Person of Christ because some people have misused His Word to justify their own sin? And so a corrective would be to point them to a Jesus-centric way of thinking? Is that fair? Am I understanding you correctly?

        But couldn’t I apply that same logic to the situation in reverse? Let’s say someone claims to follow Christ. They profess that they are Jesus-centric in their way of thinking. But at the same time they justify a particular sin in their life by claiming that Jesus is OK with it. They misuse/misrepresent Jesus to justify their sin much like in the former example people misused the Word of God to justify their sin. So wouldn’t the corrective then be to point this person to Scripture and show them what Jesus taught in his Word about their sin?

        This is why I don’t think it’s a helpful (or even logical) distinction. When the authority of Christ is separated from the authority of His Word, this can lead one to either misuse His Word to justify sin or misrepresent Christ to justify sin. So why separate the two?

        1. Hi again Will. I think you are setting up the argument between the Jesus we know through Scripture vs a subjective “Jesus” who we use to approve our own biases. I’m arguing for the Jesus we know through Scripture, and the Scripture that points to Jesus. I think I’ve been clear about that in this post. Perhaps this means we agree. Which should make you very uncomfortable. 🙂

  16. Love the article, and agree with it. My only question is – do you know of any way to find Anabaptist churches in the USA similar to Be In Christ or the Meeting House? Thanks!

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